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carolyn

i really love the bonnie riatt version of 'angel from montgomery'

Write Procrastinator

Damn Billy, you really have to put "Periphery Man" in book form. So not only that everyone can enjoy it, but especially so that those of us that are old enough to remember the people involved, can actually remember anything.

mernitman

Carolyn: Ditto!

WritePro: That's a funny/sad thought. I did actually go out with a "Clouds" proposal some years back, and met with complete indifference and incomprehension from the lit agents who saw it ("But you didn't really... KNOW these celebrities well," said one, as the whole point of the book sailed over her head). Thus, I'm going public with these stories in this medium, hoping those who Get It will enjoy them. So... thanks for getting it.

ECHenry

I'm with Write Procastinator on that. Periphery Man, your stories rock! Write that book -- I'll buy it!

Sorry you had to go through that. Sure writers pour some of their experiences and people in their lives into their art, but Prine over-reacted. When you're an enterainer and put your stuff out there, you should be ready for questions like yours. Prine SHOULD have treated you with respect, especially since you showed knowledgible interest in his work.

As far as crossing borders when it comes to writing, I'm of the opinion that writers SHOULD mentor/help others out, and those others SHOULD respect the writer's work and unique vision with a mindset of developing UNIQUE WORKS of their own. (I bring that up because you mentioned STEALING from another artist)

Why steal? Even if you succed, you still lose. When you steal someone's art you're a hack, a scumbag. Its a house of sand, where you'll be constantly living with the fear that someone will find you out for the fraud you have allowed yourself to become.

I'd LOVE to learn from masters of the craft (Shane Black, Akiva Goldsman, William Goldman, Ron Bass, David Koepp), but I NEVER want to copy their unique style, or rip them off.

Learn and be friends with, yes. Steal from, NEVER.

- E.C. Henry from Bonney Lake, WA

writergurl

Oh, I've had an encounter with a "Rock God"... and it was on par with your experience... "meh" at best.

My brother is a pro jazz drummer, he's played with Peter Buck (of REM) in his side group; a "free form" jazz group called Tuatara. (They've disbanded now.)

Anyhooo, one night, Tuatara and my baby bro come to Alanta to play the Variety Playhouse, and I get a backstage pass, cause after all, my bro is playing. On this night, all the members of REM are there for the show, including Micheal Stipe (my bro's name is Mike as well). So, the kid is playing and I've never been prouder of not having killed him when he was teenager and banging on those damn drums all the live long day. At the end of the concert, my brother exits the stage and heads to the Green Room, where a wide variety of adult beverages await. I head backstage after him (tickled me no end when one of the walls of men told the other wall, who was trying to stop me, "No man, she's with the band.") and, as I head into the green Room, I raise my voice a little and project to my bro, waiting at the end of the room, "Mike, damn, that was great! I loved it!" My bro smiles at that and I continue towards him to give him a hug when I hear a snicker. I turn around and Michael Stipe is giggling! I said "What's so funny? I thought he sounded great!" Micheal Stipe then responds "Oh, yeah, he was good, I'm laughing cause, well, for a second there, I thought you were talking to me and I haven't done anything yet."

No, dude, I wasn't talking to YOU. I was talking to my brother Mike, and oh by the way, there's Mike Mills standing next to you, and HE didn't think I was talking about him, you egomaniac you!

Some people.

Write Procrastinator

"That's a funny/sad thought. I did actually go out with a "Clouds" proposal some years back, and met with complete indifference and incomprehension from the lit agents who saw it"

And there is true irony, those you would imagine to be more cultured and informed, having less world experience than those they would consider to be beneath them. I don't mean you being below the publishers, but blue-collar people such as myself.

"But you didn't really... KNOW these celebrities well," said one, as the whole point of the book sailed over her head"

What, do you have to "Frey" the whole thing up, or do you have to "Gump" yourself down, to sell it?

"Thus, I'm going public with these stories in this medium, hoping those who Get It will enjoy them. So... thanks for getting it."

You're welcome and more importantly, thank you very much for sharing these experiences. This is precisely what I look for when I go blog surfing. Small, poignant and beautiful stories.

Moreover, you write the book, I'll buy it.

uhjim

more great stuff bill. periphery man always makes me laugh. with 20-20 hindsight i say -buy the man a drink.

MaryAn

But "Clouds in my coffee" came from "You're so Vain" which Carly Simon wrote, not Prine.

My only brush with songwriting celebrity was when my grandfather, one drunk night, wrote Wasted Days and Wasted Nights on a cocktail napkin while sitting in a bar with Freddy Fender. After my grandfather died, Fender got ownership of everything they cowrote and my grandfather's name is rarely associated with the song anymore.

mernitman

E.C. -- my "steal" was facetious.

WriterG: Funny story. Some people, indeed.

Thanks again, WritePro... thank you Uh-Jim...

MaryAn: That's very cool about your grandad, and I'm sorry he didn't get the credit he deserved. Speaking of which -- actually, in truth, I wrote the line "clouds in my coffee," and you can find the explanation for its use as the title for this series, in the first "Clouds" post, http://livingromcom.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/09/clouds_in_my_co.html

ECHenry

I went back to read that first "Clouds" post, Billy. And I was wondering, are you and Carly Simon still friends? You mentioned rubbing elbows with some of the greatest artists in our modern era, and it has me wondering if you were able to make any meaningful friendships/in roads as a result of those encounters?

E.C. Henry from Bonney Lake, WA

MaryAn

Aaaaahhhhh, I only wish you had heard me say "that's the only line in that whole bewildering song I like" as I read through this post the other day. Too late now.

abby

I love reading the stories of periphery man - fame is so...relative... but the funny thing that I'm not sure you consider is that there are folks out there even lower on the celebrity food chain who may be nostaligically spinning yarns about their brushes with YOU -- in all Your greatness. One man's periphery is another's epicenter.

mernitman

Abby, now THAT is a frightening thought...

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