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Seems like the theme of the week... Lee Gomes' column in the WSJ on Wednesday talked about how "epidemic ADD" is going to be the demise of books and movies in favor of user-created web mash-ups.

Maybe it just seems like there are fewer good movies because there are more total movies being made each year? It's a lot harder to weed out the crap...

Not having seen part 2, and it being fairly late, I'm not sure what my comment is but I'd like to toss out two thoughts that popped up while reading this:

1) You're focusing on Hollywood (studios) but I've seen what would be called independent, or at least somewhat independent rom-coms, and they seem to always depress the hell out of me. (Why do they think life is so awful?) (I should also say that I've been planning to watch Sideways again but I've been avoiding it because that, too, by the end depressed me.)

2) I understand the weekend box office thing but I can't help wondering if the business of bums in the theatre isn't wrong-headed now. I don't have numbers in front of me but it seems to me many films perform very differently (in terms of dollars) once they're on DVD. I also notice DVD reviews often divurge from the theatrical critics.

Along the same lines ... Kingdom of Heaven in theatres was okay. But for me, the recently released Director's Cut is a new movie and ten times better. It's not the same movie. And while I don't know what it may be doing in rentals, I'm willing to bet its sales place it in the top three. (It's certainly hugely popular on DVD sites.)

So ... is Hollywood actually helping their bottom line by focusing on weekend box office? Or would it make sense for them to pay more attention to what happens when it leaves the theatres?

(And that's a whole other issue ... "movies should be seen in theatres." Should they? I believe many directors now are thinking about DVD and that smaller screen. Ridley Scott certainly seems to be.)

One other note ... the beginning of the Director's version of Kingdom of Heaven adds a LOT to the opening (character stories, plot) and the film overall takes it's time (which Scott mentions in the additional materials) ... and yet it seems to be very popular with the DVD crowd, many of whom (if not most) are fairly young. Is our belief that young people are programmed for fast really accurate?

Let’s start by saying I haven’t seen The Break Up. However, everyone I’ve spoken to who has, including my wife, was disappointed. It will be interesting to see how it does this week because I haven’t heard one good thing.

I’m going to have to mull over the whole “lower expectations” idea before I offer an opinion, but I did want to thank you for the CD. Unfortunately, I haven’t had the time to really sit down and give it a good listen. Eighth graders in June are a whole different beast, but it will all be over soon and I’ll the entire summer to listen and write.

I look forward to part 2, meantime, the reason I'd like to someday write a romcom is because I rarely see what I'm looking for in that genre: something complex and real. I don't know if I am not the average person, but my beef with many of these movies is that there's often some element of "conflict" introduced that seems forced and unnecessary, where some more believable, real-life type conflict seems like it would be infinitely more interesting to me. And dag nab it, if I can figger out how (when I get to reading your book!) someday I'll do it.

Wow! You've been a busy posting bee since Santa Fe, so I should be reading this in reverse order. I agree we're in the age of lower expectations, and that's all the tougher for the spec writer knocking on hollywood's door (actually knocking on the doors of those who can knock on hollywood's door). So is it your contention that it's more a case of stars tailoring these fluff peices from some shallow raw material with good "hand feel"? Or taking a good spec script and turning it dreck?

Billy,

Maybe Vince Vaugn should be forced to read Robert McKee's "Story." Dude's got comedic tallent, but past past sucessess aren't always gauranteed sucess templetes for your current project. "The Break-Up" isn't "The Wedding Crashers." Still, love the Vaugn. Hopefully he'll learn/evolve (get some perspective) and his next project will be be better. Sometimes a litle loss of ego improves the art.

As far as the age of lessened expectation goes, perhaps Jenna Rinks said it best in the movie "13 Going on 30."

"We've got to remember what used to be good. Because if we don't, we wont remember what is good even if it hits us right between the eyes."

- E.C. Henry from Bonney Lake, WA

Movies may not be getting better, but they're certainly getting louder. So, we've got that going for us.

Huckle, yes, the weeding is more time-intensive than ever.

Bill: both points (the Sadness of Indieville and the dif between theatrical and DVD perception) well taken and I'll try to speak to them in A.L.E. Deux...

I don't think an interest in DVDs with bells-and-whistles precludes the ADD effect; again, the DVD format enables FF, skipping, watching in segments, etc., which is part of this same "fast food media" sensibility.

Craig: 8th graders in June? Let me know when they give you back your brain.

Betsy, you will figure it out, you must, and the book will help, i trust. Bring on the complex and real, bring it Betsy please.

Ken: sad to say both phenoms are endemic to the system. but wait! there's even MORE reasons for why things go wrong, which i hope to articulate in A.L.E.: The Return.

E.C. what an effen hot quote!!!
Gonna use it.

Somebody buy the JJ man a beer.


jeeze, just one day after I promised myself, no more tirades on billy's blog... you jump deep into a quest for "real" answers to even more good questions. and you have a whole interconnected crew paying attention. go billy go... what a brave discourse....
firstly, let me get this straight; people in a meeting actually listen to what vince vaughn has to say about anything... why? because he is a mega box office hero..? he is one of steven spielberg's illegimate children? an xmen of cinematic knowledge.? he is banging the other star and is keeping her quiet? it is too bad, that when he starts talking about his vision, they don't have the balls to fire him or tell him to shut the fuck up and sit down. but alas that is life today.. we dont really know what is what. yes i must be grandpa... because i remember when irving thalberg was the bad guy,(now the little cuthroat bastard has to be considered a paragon of vision)... i remember seeing orson wells chow down on scampi at ma maison like there was no fuckin tomorrow... the man who brought us Touch of Evil... put out to pasture.

so it is the same as it always was... much as I would like to heap a pile of shit on the current powers that be...

but I tell ya bill.... you or one of your crew will pierce the armor of boredom and lowered expectations... because at the end of the day, some arrow always gets through...

and one more note... "Back to the Future" a semi-modern motion picture, filmed in color no less has the most labored first act in recent memory...
check it out.. and the movie, if you can stand the set-up... works like a charm...

Everytime I come here I feel a little more inferior. Thank you for that.

You obviously care intensely about the future of Romantic Comedy. You mention a few movies which apparently come up to your standards. I am wondering what you would consider the top 10 Romantic Comedies of film history? If all copies of all the rom-coms were on fire, which would you reach into the fire to try to save? (With tongs, of course.)

This topic has been bothering me for awhile now. I am of the younger generation, but thanks to my upbringing (books, books, books) I like to think that it takes something witty and off-the-wall to make me laugh. And, well, the movies have turned into a predictability-fest, unless you move to Park City and Sundance it. While bemoaning whether or not producers will ever churn out something like The Philidelphia Story again, I discovered that there are good movies being made. They just are not mainstream. Take Triplets of Belleville or Autumn in New York for example. No one has seemingly heard of these movies, but they are beautiful and funny...
Unfortunately, the rest of our peers have been McDonaldized and find satisfaction in White Chick.

Marken: please don't let it be your last tirade, cause we love them (i.e. a long-time reader of this blog now comes here specifically to read you) and I'm still seeing Orson sucking down that scampi...

But Brooke, that's how I feel when I visit YOURS.

Whew, Patty, talk about a challenge... I won't attempt an all-time top 10, but your "what I'd save from the fire" idea would yield this top 20+ short-list -- and even it feels absurdly truncated (e.g. rescue one Hawks film, but leave 4 others?!) -- in chronological order:

Bringing Up Baby
The Philadelphia Story
The Lady Eve
Some Like It Hot
Breakfast at Tiffany's
The Graduate
Shampoo
Annie Hall
Arthur
Tootsie
Romancing the Stone
Moonstruck
The Princess Bride
Say Anything
When Harry Met Sally
Groundhog Day
4 Weddings & a Funeral
Jerry Maguire
As Good As It Gets
There's Something About Mary
Eternal Sunshine...

Welcome, Janet: You make a good point about the indie track v. mainstream (e.g. I'd keep the two Linklater "Before" movies from the fire, as well) -- it's certainly true that the more interesting risks are being taken on the fringe, e.g. last year's Saving Face, and Kissing Jessica Stein before that. But I guess I'm asking, why can't we have our cake and eat it, too (i.e. does the mainstream really have to abandon "witty and off-the-wall" and unpredictable altogether)?...

...and how could I leave out

The Apartment
A Fish Called Wanda
Hannah and Her Sisters

to make it an even double-dozen? And if we go foreign, add Cousin, Cousine to make a top 25, and then there's the second tier of guilty pleasures like Sleepless, and flawed-but-braves like Chasing Amy, and hard to entirely dismiss pics like Shakespeare in Love and Sense and Sensibility and...

I never had so much fun at a movie as I did with Fish called Wanda. I laughed until my sides hurt, and I STILL get a chuckle out of Otto and Wanda's "foregin languages turn me on" dialogue.

Hee hee.

Well, you open a can of worms when you get into lists. I won't disagree with anything but I will say, "My Man Godfrey" and add that for some reason I've always preferred "Sullivan's Travels" to "The Lady Eve," though I like them both. But that also puts me in my of "The Palm Beach Story" ...

WriterGurl: I will never get enough of Otto.

Bill: I too prefer Sullivan in the Sturges canon, but Eve is truly a romantic comedy (Sullivan isn't, technically; the girl -- even though she's Veronica Lake --is more subplot than central). And I only had room for one other genuine screwball, so I picked Baby over Godfrey, but it was definitely a close call... just like it was tough picking Gets over Broadcast, when it came to Brooks, and... etc.

Oh you are such a liar. I love it.

I agree in principle with the ideas in this post, but there are alot of angles that may also head off in different directions - the vaughn/anniston example is so unique as to really not be very usable as a measurement in other cases, and just like the partner example of the whole brangelina thing as well.

But to introduce some other idea about the romantic comedy, attention span, et al equation - cartoon culture just got so much better at what made the best comedies funny. The whole Adult Swim phenomena as a network, with its way of programming, its tight scripts and humor (Aqua Teen, Harvey Birdman, etc.. etc...) really addressed the audience that isnt simply A.D.D.led but was looking for HUMOR and WIT, and as well a cartoon that does it all in 15 min or less.

The 1980s Hollywood started the transformation of actors into being more and more just cartoons. The cartoons just returned eventually and did what the human comedies USED to do. Anchorman or any Ben Stiller film, etc.. are just big cartoons, and conservative at that.
But TV has been rewarded for keeping some kind of scale in the past years.

What about the "Romance" of the Rom-Com. Maybe really there, the answer is just that Hollywood is too out of it. I mean, read the gossip sites of the last year that have cropped up due to Paris Hilton and her world - where is there any mention of Romance? Its sole focus is on bodies and contracts: screwing around, drugs, binges, engagements, babies, divorces, next movie/music/fashion contract etc.

MySpace? Is that romance today? At least its partially literary.

For real romance, I have to say, if you ever deem to watch the old Futurama series, it was THE most intelligent, ADULT romantic subplot running through between the two characters, of Leela and Frye, and really, no movie or tv managed to keep that kind of humor and consistency going.

I love movies, but lets call a cartoon a cartoon - what we often talk about as "movies" are just moving billboards and humanized cartoons - and not good ones.

I agree whole-heartedly with your four caveats, Billy, and with the diagnosis that the economics of attention is driving the shape of the releases (it's especially astute to note parallels in the publishing and music business, too).

But shoe-horning doesn't necessarily mean that the audience's intelligence is being underestimated--there are other, simpler explanations. It's hard to incisively pitch an artistic product, and it takes practice, smarts, and creativity. The studios probably realize that many of these movies are turkeys, and, in some cases, *are* aiming low and making the best of mediocre product. And, as the post states, capital is a pervasive influence, one that discourages risk: opening weekends, yes, and filmmaking is a corporate enterprise, demanding unusual skills, that the director be a good CEO as well as a good artist.

But I think it is also correct to finger the audience, which almost certainly has changed, MTV and all that. But maybe not exactly for the reasons you cite: I think our dreams are less affecting than in the 70s, and that has little to do with intelligence (and more than a little to do with capital, too). It was much easier back then, I think, even when one accounts for age, and I try harder and am disappointed more these days. When I was in my early twenties, the good theater in Baltimore showed a double-bill and changed the program every two or three days. Today, that same "art house" theatre has five screens, and is showing "The DaVinci Code" and cartoons and so much else that I often can't find one thing to see. Hollywood, always in touch with our dreams, has laid bare our basic nature: that typically (and that might not mean *you,* per se), we wish to be transported by being elevated from our essential humdrum existence, Seacrest (or Vaughniston) ex Machina.

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