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JustMe

At first I really, really wanted to hate this show. I really did. But I can't.

Jealousy and bitchy competition was coursing through my veins during the first episode, and I was satisfied when it ended and I though, "eh. Not impressed." But as I kept (begrudgingly) watching, I realized that despite the faint whiff of immaturity and dashes of whitewashing (as well as a very underpopulated and quiet NYC) - Leah Dunham managed to do something we have yet to see onscreen: she's a female Woody Allen who neither apologizes for who she is and how she looks, with a cast of female friends who have distinctly strong opinions and bad habits.

Girls doesn't apologize; and I like this. I like that Leah isn't afraid of unflattering angles or awkward comedy. She's kind of fearless, and she's been given the okay to be fearless by male producers and showrunners.

This is big. It's inspiring. And it's just enough to make me a fan.

kristen

I don't have HBO and can't see "Girls," but I wanted "Tiny Furniture" recently and found it kind of cute. While it's true I can in almost no way relate to the lifestyle of a privileged Manhattan kid, who cares? It's a chance to learn about what privileged Manhattan kids are thinking. (Anyway, that never stopped me from obsessing over "Metropolitan" as a high school senior in middle class New England.)

This backlash against Ms. Dunham to me seems to be caused by her being a woman and young... and successful. It's very gracious of her to respond so calmly and just do her thing. If she's mature enough to realize that people are simply jealous and that reporters are simply looking to manufacture controversy where the is none, then she's going to survive and continue to produce good work.

kristen

oops that's "watched" 'Tiny Furniture," not "wanted," though actually if someone gave me tiny furniture I would play with it.

Boydsteph1

Very nice, Billy. Amazing that someone so young can execute such talent. I originally found the main character to be a little like Woody Allen, but then I hate it when people compare an accomplished woman with a man. So I'll just say she translates the neurotic pulse of youth culture with great humor.

Neil

I think all the controversy has less to do with the show than the publicity about the show. From what I gather, the show was presented as the voice of a new generation, which ruffled the feathers of those not in this group, because while the writing and direction is fearless, the casting is fairly traditional. Just like we can't go back to the traditional romantic comedy, I don't think we can go back to the all-white world of television anymore because it doesn't connect to reality, even in Manhattan. We expect our media to be diverse, almost as a public service.

mernitman

JustMe: The "no apologies" thing is really inspiring. One of Lena Dunham's idols is Louis C.K. - and his material is of the same fearless stripe. I think he's the monster comedic genius of our moment.

Kristen: She really does seem to have her head together in that regard - the NPR interview is a model of well-reasoned response and equilibrium in the face of... All That.

Steph: "Translates the neurotic pulse of youth culture with great humor" - Yes! Great blurb, actually.

Neil: Totally. Though it's kind of funny to guess at the actual percentage of the US population represented by this "we." As many have pointed out, the bulk of mainstream network TV programming (see "Two and a Half Men," et al) is hideously skewed white, but no one says boo about it.


Bill Sebring

In a nutshell:

"You go write some scenes that are as smart and funny and surprising and button-pushing as Dunham did... and get your material produced, and then we can talk."

Kris John

Yup, the media change, we can just sitback and relax and enjoy this new stuff here.

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dave

Um, are you kidding?

Dude, in general, I love Lena Dunham, loved TINY FURNITURE, much of the backlash is based on jealousy.

I don't care about the nepotism, I don't care that all the leads are white.

However, when every single mention of a minority character is tinged with hate, that's a problem. When you say the comments about Asian girls and now Indian girls, that's frustrated, not-so-attractive New York speak for "I can't get a guy, and I'm ticked that they're dating women of color." Especially when one of your writers is on record for likening our President to feces. (Taking a crap is Obama dropping the kids off at The White House.)

Seriously -- Every she mentions a woman of color, it's a chance to slag them. That's not cool when it's happening again and again.

mernitman

Um, Dave? I don't know what you're talking about. I haven't heard the "every time she mentions a woman of color, it's a chance to slag them" stuff, nor am I familiar with the "feces" comment. Can you provide a more specific reference point - link, quote, whatever, so I can understand what it is that you're citing? Honestly in the dark here.

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