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Ann Wesley Hardin

I'll tell you what I think. It's hard! Wahhhhh!

Like you, I hate to whine about being content. It's ridiculous and I feel vaguely humiliated that I've been struggling. Woke up with that humiliation, in fact, and found your post, which made me even happier because there was someone else out there experiencing the same thing. Curses!

The way I decided to handle it is to write about someone else who's brokenhearted and miserable. It's a band-aid, I know, but what else is there to do? With any luck I'll be able to channel his/her misery into a bestseller. I hope you can too.

jamy

I'm trying to remember how I felt when I last wrote fiction....yep, it all pretty much came from heartbreak or wish-fulfillment. Some disillusion was at play too. But it hardly seems essential. I've had plenty of heartbreak since and none of it was quite so inspiring. ;)

MaryAn

Wait. Uneven cups are worthy of a show in SoHo? You couldn't have posted this BEFORE I called the Salvation Army?

binnie

Finally!!! Yahoo, Billy, happy is GOOD!
I've only been creative (and good-creative, not tortured-creative) when I've been happy or at least relatively content. Depression and heartache have only made me curl up into a fetal ball eating pints of Ben and Jerry's, with no desire to do anything, let alone something artistic.
(Aside to MaryAn, your comment made me laugh so hard I did a spit-take with my coffee, AND, by the way, you do have a lovely voice.)

mike

Hey billy,

I commented a while back, when The Break Up came out (coincidentally right after my beloved girlfriend broke up with me). We talked about using the pain for scripts and such. Coincidentally, I've been tasked to write a rom com for a friend of mine. Using the pain is a lot more helpful, and adds a lot of edge to the situation.

As for Science of Sleep, having seen the movie, this article sheds a lot more light on the film. It's good, but it definitely comes from a painful place.

The film is absolutely gorgeous, it should be noted.

Sal

To quote Shane Danielson, no great art ever came out of a permissive society; the corollary for romance is perhaps that no great feelings ever came out of a contented place. For if you are contented, you cannot see the anguish, and if you can't see the anguish, then the heights and depths are somehow missing. I had an extremely painful break-up with someone, having had some great highs with that same person - for a while, I wished for middling ground, to feel nothing, no highs or lows because the highs and lows I'd had were so extreme they left me drained. The thing is, no-one wants to see middling ground in stories, they want to see others experience the extremes, partly so they can experience them in proxy. A story without heights and depths is no story. But I'm not saying you have to be miserable in order to write; just that, maybe, experiencing extremes brings something to the story you're trying to tell. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure out how a person with no romance in their life for a long long time ends up writing romantic comedy. Talk about wishful thinking.

E.C. Henry

Congradulations on staring your latest novel, Billy. Hope its a great one. How are you coming along with that other one you mentioned in a previous blog? When I am I going to be able to buy a copy? I'm very eager to read your last story, as your teaser sounded awesome.

No, I don't believe you have to be romantically distraught to write a good romantic comedy. Yes, emotion fuels imagination and vise-versa. BUT I believe to write a good romantic comedy, you just have to have latent romantic desire within yourself. To make the romance meaningfull you make your characters, not yourself, suffer.

To me, romance in a romantic comedy is ALL about that "ah" moment, when the couple is together, the stars align, the couple closes in on each other, and their on the presibus of phyically expressing the desire that is noticibly on both of their face.

Buy to achieve this romantic payoff, the author needs to make their couple suffer a little. Suffering creates empathy in the audience, which in turn hooks the audience in to share the couple's bliss when the relationship is consumated. Does a writer have to suffer him or herself to use this dynamic? I don't think so.

- E.C. Henry from Bonney Lake, WA

MaryAn

Thank you, Binnie, very kind coming from you. And hey, important beauty tip -- people who laugh a lot while drinking hot coffee have fewer nose hairs.

mernitman

Welcome, Ann: Curses indeed. Channel that misery, and I'll meet you in the bookstore.

Jamy: Goes either way, don't it?

MaryAn is it hot in here or is it just you?

Binnie The Fortunate.

Hey Mike, glad to hear the pain into pages conversion is going well...

Sal, "experiencing extremes brings something to the story you're trying to tell" is a great quote and i hereby borrow it for future classroom use.

EC, "latent romantic desire" is a good one, too.

When Audrey Wells (Truth About Cats...) spoke to my first rom-com class, she said: "Steep your characters in pain. Make them miserable. Then, after they've really suffered... make them happy."

MaryAn

So, it's like passive/aggressive treatment of your characters.

Ann Wesley Hardin

MaryAn, I can tell you that it's not P/A at all. It's sociopathic. We have no conscience when it comes to characters, and it's not hidden or sneaky. We know exactly what our torture will do to them, and we enjoy doling it out.

The problem is that when we're happy, we're pretending to know what our victims feel. This pretence always comes through in the writing. So we're trying to manufacture ways to hide it.

I suppose Sal would call this attempt "acting". (Yes, Sal, I read your blog and found it utterly fascinating)

And it made me wonder, if we "act", if we pull out a smidgen of heartbreak, magnify it, exaggerate it, and write it, will it override our need to be experiencing it?

That's what I'm doing right now. I'll let you know if it works.

PS--thanks for the welcome,Billy! I've been flitting in here on and off for a year or so. It's one of the more enjoyable blogs on the 'net!

Paul Lacques

Hey, Billy:

This newcomer is enjoying your blog greatly!

"Please Break My Heart" is a great comfort to me. I always thought I was psychotic, but now I realize I'm an artist.

MaryAn

I'm honored, Ann - first, that you remember Sal and second, that you used superlatives that didn't sound like "she has a great personality". I DON'T WANT A GREAT PERSONALITY! So thank you. Seriously.

Susan

Maybe people who feel more "deeply" (including deep pain) have a greater access to the full spectrum of human emotions. Maybe the deeper the lows, the highers the highs that you feel? If you have a relatively harmonious life, you might not understand the full range and depth of human emotion? Just my thoughts. And what IS it about some French Men Growing their FINGERNAILS Longer than most American women (sorry but that's a definate Turn Off). It Creeps me out - Creepier still he made it into a necklace. But don't get me wrong I LOVE French Cinema too (and my sister is married to a really cool French Guy)

Susan

And the deeper the understanding of human emotions, the more likely the person is to have more depth in his/her writing...

Ann Wesley Hardin

I'm in complete agreement with the "extreme feelings" posters. Contrast is everything.

I know so many people who have flatlined emotionally. I try to stay away from them, but, you know, there are social obligations. They smile small, they hug small, they frown if they can (Botox and everything...) and they make small talk. Everything is small. And it's so freakin' depressing.

Where are the large people? The people who laugh out-loud. The people who don't take the drugs the doctor ordered.

Is Jackie Gleason really dead?

It's sad when you think about it. But I have no answers. Somehow it reminds me of that Beatnik from Happy Days: Little birdy, with your face pressed up against the bakery window. There are no pastries for you today, only death.

~Ann, who's pretty sure she wore out her welcome today and is now going away to write.

Ann Wesley Hardin

Back.

MaryAn, are you Sal, or related to her? I'm new here and have no idea of the relationships.

But I did click on your name and saw that you appear to be a fencer! I fenced for nine years. Epee and sabre. But Epee is my love.

I know the European method is more intense than the American, so you could probably wup my yankee ass with footwork alone, but it's cool to meet another fencer. There aren't too many around!

jess

as an artist who holds fast to her sanity, balance, and clarity...i find it disturbing when other artists seek out, or draw out, pain.

That's why we have recal. (two L's? one?) Memory. My life has had it's 2 years of heartbreak and therapy. I see no need, and have absolutely no desire, to revist that again. I'll tap into it every so often, tentatively, but then i'll throw on some J. Timberlake (or K. Clarkson, as you have so SMARTLY spoke about), and rejoice in the fact that I am not horribly, mind-numbingly, depressed.

And you know, being young, and in new york, i think there's enough material for "dramady" in the whole idea of ..."how am I EVER going to find someone to love again?"

it's not depressing. It's just incredibly...perplexing.


...well, and also depressing. But that doesn't help my point.

binnie

Billy, sarcasm? Without a ;-) or a ! attached to the answer to my comment, it's hard to read it any other way. Did you infer that I'm never unhappy or haven't had my heart shattered? Please. You know as well as anyone that at times I've had to claw my way out of the depths (does THAT make me more artistic?), but the truth is that MY good stuff comes out only when I've gotten past the pain and I've climbed over to the happier side of the equation.
On another subject, I'm really enjoying the conversation between Ann and MaryAn...

Ruth

When I am in a good place, from joyful to serene to having plenty of money and enough good people in my life, I can write anything, from ecstacy to unbearable anguish.
When I am in the depths, when even salt and vingar potato chips don't do it, I can't write anything, least of all making this the moment I can access my pain productively.
But when I am writing (prose here--still working on the screenplay part of it) I pretty much can dredge up whatever mood I need, and at the end of the writing session, I'm in whatever shape I was writing about. This is why the people in my life prefer it when I'm working on something funny.

binnie

Hey, and another thing! I just remembered a story I heard about the making of "Marathon Man". Dustin Hoffman's character is supposed to be exhausted from running away from the bad guy. To get himself into character, Hoffman ran around and around the set for quite some time so he'd be breathless, huffing and puffing and sweaty in time for his take. His co-star, Laurence Olivier, allegedly took one look at him and said, "Next time, try acting".
I don't think being heartbroken and depressed are the necessary emotions to write or compose well, but the sense-memory to recall those emotions, definitely.

Ann Wesley Hardin

"Next time, try acting".

LMAO!!

~Ann, who is really going away now. For the time being.

mernitman

Hey Ann: It's been quite a ride figuratively spending the day with you. "The people who don't take the drugs the doctor ordered," I love that... And a fencer, no less. I do hope that the smidgen-ing experiment worked and that you got some writing done...

Jess but that's GOOD perplexing. As in, the Energy of the Unrequited that keeps all of us going...

Binnie put the gun down! :-)))
Actually my comment was said with a smile and no sarcasm -- just some genuine admiration for (and a rueful touch of envy of) someone who seems to have struck a happy balance of equanimity in her relationship between her emotional and creative life.

Ruth I think many writers have had this same issue with The Others (i.e friends, mates, family); it's one reason why writers are notorious as difficult-to-live-with.

(Binnie, I heard the punch line of the Olivier story as, "But my dear boy, why not try acting?" but LOL no matter how you tell it)

Ann Et Al:

Seems to me that what's emerging here is an issue that intrigues me: how DOES a writer access his/her emotions to do the work, be it dark or joyful?

And for that matter does one ncessarily have to be stuck with the emotional residue (see Ruth) once one has plumbed the necessary depths? (I say yes, it comes with the turf, unfortunately) And how does one come to one's own emotional rescue? (Presently I say nighttime driving with the top down heading for the ocean and blasting Strays Don't Sleep, but that's just me. Possible follow-up post...)

Ann Wesley Hardin

Writing actually sops up my emotional residue rather than creates it. I tend to get loopy and have strange thoughts when the creativity has no outlet--especially now that I've had a measure of success and keep those creative windows open all the time for inspiration.

Of course, when the writing isn't up to standard I can get a little snippy. But it doesn't matter if I'm writing a funny scene, a steamy scene or a wrenching one, I'll always emerge in a good mood.

BTW--the smidgening would've worked last night, I think, if I hadn't fallen asleep ;)

mernitman

Ann: How Crazy Writers Get When They're Not Writing... a whole other post topic...

Meanwhile, Susan, sorry I skipped you in the last comment -- I got lost in the Ann & Binnie of it all -- Anyway I agree with you about the fingernails (there's a local character famous here in Venice for having grown his Mandarin emperor-long, like a full foot of curling fingernails, talk about creepy, yeesh!) -- and your depths of people (depths of understanding = deeper writing)thought seems totally right on to me...

And Paul Lacques: Welcome to Living RomCom! Of course you are an artist, sir. And also -- for the benefits of fellow readers, I point out -- leader of one of the best bands in L.A., I See Hawks, which you can hear on their myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=35441466

Looking forward to more pithy Paul commentary...

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