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gabe

Could Maude from Harold and Maude fit into this category somehow? I guess this wouldn't play into the male fantasy in terms of youthful appearance for most of the audience, but otherwise she plays right into the archetype.

Thanks for brining up Midnight in Paris. I think it is all about male fantasy, which is probably why I loved it and none the women in my life really cared for it.

DannyM

My feeling is that there were a lot of MPDGs in the sixties and seventies—and thus that they're inextricably linked with social changes, especially the sexual revolution. Holly Golightly seems a bit of an archetype, but BAT was part of a movement, surely, along with Butterflies Are Free and There's A Girl In My Soup and doubtless many others I haven't seen for decades... Seems like any film that had a 'kooky' heroine—and there were a lot of them—might be re-classified as MPDG-driven now.

In that vein, I'd like to think that Charity Hope Valentine is a MPDG, but Sweet Charity is boldly and unrepentantly told from her point of view, so I'm not sure that counts.

And thanks, also, just for, you know, making me think.

Teddy

Miss Kubelik in The Apartment, perhaps.

mernitman

Gabe, that's a great grab. I think you're right about Maude; she doesn't fit the stereotypical MPDG profile, but she definitely performs the same function.

Danny M: I'm with you there - Holly G. was absolutely an archetypal MPDG (as was the young Goldie H.) MacLaine in CHARITY is an interesting case for exactly that POV reason (i.e. She's technically a MPDG, but it is "her movie." But see next comment...

Teddy: MacLaine in THE APARTMENT is MPDG for sure... although with an unusual added, real-life edge to her character in Act 3. I'd say she transcends the stereotype by being a 3-dimensional, grounded human being. Today's MPDG would never think of attempting suicide on the hero's watch. Bad form!

Rob in L.A.

First: Great post, as usual, mernitman!

Second: I would say that "The Apartment's" Fran Kubelik is definitely not an MPDG because she's neither "available" nor "for no immediately discernible reason ... already way into" Bud Baxter. She doesn't realize her feelings for him until the New Year's Eve party at the end of the movie. (Is it possible to say too often what a great rom-com "The Apartment" is? Why isn't it on the AFI's Top 10 list?)

Third: This article brings several films to mind, including a very unsuccessful one: "Watching the Detectives" (2007). In WTD, Lucy Liu plays a mysterious sprite who shakes up the life of down-in-the-dumps Cillian Murphy. The story is fairly amusing, but it takes so many twists and turns, from rom-com to noirish thriller, that you don't know what to make of Liu's character. Is she an MPDG or a femme fatale? Her character tells so many fibs and half-truths that by the end of the movie — oh, its a rom-com after all, and the boy gets the girl — the audience doesn't trust her any more and is uncertain if Murphy is really "getting" her or if she has one more twist up her sleeve. It might have been a better movie if she turned out to be a femme fatale — THAT would have been an interesting take on the MPDG.

mernitman

Rob: I sit corrected (you're right again, dammit!), so let's qualify: Miss Kubelik IS a MPDG in personality (this is true of most of MacLaine's early roles) but NOT in function. She's a MPDG/Damsel in Distress hybrid.

Anthony A.

I've enjoyed L.A. Story partially due to the Manic Pixie Bellamy that is Sarah Jessica Parker's character. I've seen many a forgettable romantic comedy in which her character would've been the answer but it rejects that notion.

mernitman

Anthony, I'm with you there!

Rob in L.A.

What do you call a Dream Girl who's not a Manic Pixie? I ask because I recently saw "She's Out of My League." (Don't rush.)

Elizabeth Ditty

I love MPDGs, and I think the bad rap they get is pretty unfair most of the time. They are catalysts of change for the main character. It doesn't mean they're not complex characters with their own lives and goals. On the contrary, interesting and sometimes dark histories are often hinted at but not necessarily explored. It just that it's not THEIR movie. And that's OK.

That being said, an MPDG doesn't necessarily have to be a supporting character; it's just the norm. Look at AMÉLIE for example. There's an MPDG if I've ever seen one. The difference (and probably why she's often overlooked) is that it's her movie. If the guy she was pursuing had been the main character (and thus the film from his POV), Amélie would no doubt be the Ultimate MPDG.

mernitman

Rob: You're an awfully brave man. You go where even the likes of me would fear to tread... Anyway, good question! We could prob'ly break the Dream Girl archetype into sub-types: The Girl Next Door Dream Girl, the Unattainable Prom Girl Dream Girl, the Rock Goddess Dream Girl (ALMOST FAMOUS and SCOTT PILGRIM, etc.)... but most likely dream girls come in as many shapes and sizes as there are male protagonists to covet them. It's just that the MPDG has been such a prominent, ubiquitous type.

Elizabeth: AMELIE is the Gallic MPDG quintessence, and you're right about the "whose picture is it" issue being the only clarifying difference to the norm. AMELIE seems to me the kind of movie a true MPDG might conceive (especially with its idea of being in service to others, etc.).

Craig

This was actually kind of nice to read. Always good to get something in there that doesn’t discuss how badly the team has played in the last week.

mernitman

Craig: Especially since in this end of the field, it's hard to say who's winning.

Rob in L.A.

I'd like to put in a good word for "Chungking Express" (even though WTRC already did, p. 26), with Faye Wong in the role of the Manic Pixie Stalker.

Rob in L.A.

Will "Ruby Sparks" be the ultimate MPDG — literally a product of the male lead's imagination?

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